Christians say that without God, and the literature of the Bible, you cannot have objective morality, as you’ve nothing to guide you.
Muslims say that without Allah, and the literature of the Qur’an, you cannot have objective morality, as you’ve nothing to guide you.
Theists forget that the Bible and the Qur’an were written by men, and these men claim that God spoke to them; can their word be trusted, or did they have their own agenda? Theists say that without a guideline you cannot know the difference between right and wrong, good or evil, but there has to be definitive proof of God, and proof that God created this list of morals, and not just written by your average goat herder, who desires some power and acknowledgement, or the objective morality argument falls flat on its face.
‘A proposition is objective if its truth value is independent of the person uttering it. A fact is objective in the same way. For morality to be objective, moral propositions such as ‘Killing is bad’, ‘Stealing is bad’, etc… need to be true’
Are the morals in the Bible, and the Qur’an absolute?
Most certainly not, and they aren’t even close, as they just scratch the surface, and are literally the basics, and things that God/Allah personally objects to. Follow these guidelines and your place by their side in eternity is guaranteed, but can theists genuinely claim that God/Allah is the absolute in the principles of morality?
Do theists follow these guidelines for selfish reasons, or is it because they want to do it?
Ultimately they don’t want to upset God/Allah and be judged, so they follow these guidelines blindly. They don’t know if they are right or wrong, just that it’s what God/Allah commands.
Does the Bible cover racism, sexism, homophobia, gender equality, transphobia, animal welfare, rights to indiscriminate education, secularism or freedom of choice?
No, it doesn’t. These are areas where religious bigotry comes out as because they aren’t examples of morality in the Bible, or the Qur’an, then they are disregarded and they’ve no obligation to observe them.
From a Godless viewpoint, morality is the aim to maximise happiness and prevent misery, to live your life ethically, and applying standards as to what is harm, and what is beneficial, and putting the importance in humanity above the supernatural, or religious dogma.
‘Atheists do what is right regardless of being told. Theists do what they’re told, regardless of it being right.’
Atheists and Agnostics say that you need compassion, empathy and humility to understand the difference between wrong and right. There is a saying to explain the kind of empathy needed for morality.
‘Don’t be so quick to judge, as you’ll never know when you might find yourself walking in that person’s shoes’
Anyone who believes and lives by the word of a God, believes that their God is the one true God. This has been consistent as long as mankind has put devotion into deities. It doesn’t matter what period of history we refer to, whatever kingdom has the ultimate God, the heathens, or worshippers of another God were frowned upon, or persecuted. This had led to many wars, taking over of lands, genocide, sacrifice, and crimes against humanity for as long as human history has been recorded.
Islam is said to be around 700 years old, Christianity is 2,000 years old, but the Bible was started around 3,200 years ago, and Mesopotamia dates back as far as 10,000 years and their society was polytheist, and each one believes their God is the supplier of their moral values, and each one dismisses the existence of Gods from other cultures.
‘Mesopotamian society were described by archaeologists and historians as the first to bring many useful resources to civilised society, that include: The First Moral Ideals.‘